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Airone
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« on: October 26, 2007, 10:27:01 am »

Hi all,

I just one to start a debate and submit one idea for the VFAT meeting.
Last year, due to the tremendeous succes of the display, the 50 spectators "channels" were all the time full with specialists. It was good for the show, but very frustrating for the Team Members pilots who were not able to "enter" session.  :D

We know that the streaming issue will partially save the situation, but what about giving a VIP access by giving a password to all the team participating, hence permit them in prority to assist in Lock On, since they are "specialists". :ugeek:

The other spectators could follow the shows from their home by following the the stream. I know this solution is not "democratic" but we should discuss on that.

Well, give me your point of view about this.
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Tailhook
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2007, 12:20:08 pm »

All we need is to give the participating teams/solo's the password to the server so they can all get setup and ready. THEN we can release the password to all the people on comm's. There is no point for the ones who will spectate through the streaming because the cameraman is already ingame. ;) And if anybody trys joining while not on comm's good luck trying to connect to the server because all the slots will be full from people actually on the comm's and listening.
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Frazer
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2007, 03:55:27 pm »

Seen the huge amount of participants (around 70 pilots) I think it is a good idea to only alow participants and some VIP on the VFAT server. We got the streaming working so spectators can watch that. The teamspeak comms + ingame sound + music are also streamed so there is actually even no use for spectators to be on TS.
And like last year, tracks will be uploaded immediately after each show, if people want to do their own camera work and see everything in high quality this is the 2nd option.
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Tailhook
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2007, 09:00:43 pm »

Quote from: "WR=211=Frazer"
The teamspeak comms + ingame sound + music are also streamed so there is actually even no use for spectators to be on TS.

True. I sure hope the "cameraman" has a really nice bandwidth level(8mbps or more) because a lot of people will be watching off him. The cameraguy shouldnt be the one that will upload the tracks because thats extra time that he would be wasting and his need to get set back up.
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JaBoG32_Laud
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2007, 09:40:46 pm »

About comms: The channel where the teams fly in will be moderated. This means only pilots/narrator will get voice-rights and the rest can listen.

About bandwith: The camera-man will send 1! stream to the server and the server will send multiple streams to the community. So bandwith shouldn't be that issue...
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2007, 10:59:13 pm »

If we can work the streaming out to be bonafide and working, then there is no reason, as Frazer said, for anyone to be on TS, even the narrator.  We can give the streamer our Ventrilo IP, and he can stream from this for our show.  Sound quality is a ton better as well with Ventrilo, and we can set up binds and what not.  Idealy, our narration and music will be in a separate channel with the streamer while the 6 demonstration pilots, our safety observer, and technical advisor can be in our own channel, with me "binding" to that channel for the occasional "lets listen in" in the narration.

I would like to keep as many people as possible AWAY from being on our server while we fly, due to the reason of major lag.  If the streaming works, we would rather have everyone jump and watch that than overload our server.
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2007, 12:05:16 am »

Quote from: "VBARhino"
If we can work the streaming out to be bonafide and working, then there is no reason, as Frazer said, for anyone to be on TS, even the narrator.  We can give the streamer our Ventrilo IP, and he can stream from this for our show.  Sound quality is a ton better as well with Ventrilo, and we can set up binds and what not.  Idealy, our narration and music will be in a separate channel with the streamer while the 6 demonstration pilots, our safety observer, and technical advisor can be in our own channel, with me "binding" to that channel for the occasional "lets listen in" in the narration.

I would like to keep as many people as possible AWAY from being on our server while we fly, due to the reason of major lag.  If the streaming works, we would rather have everyone jump and watch that than overload our server.

I'd like to give spectators he chance to choose between stream-implemented music and in-flight-comms. I mean there are those who like watching the show like they were standing on the ground and those who like to have a look "behind the curtain". No matter if this will be on vent or TS.
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2007, 04:56:53 am »

Last year, we had an issue starting up our server and subsequently created a Passwd for that sortie. After everyone (incl. a potential camera man etc this year) is setup and ready, we would then realease the Passwd over comms and, last year, the server filled up instantaneously! It did seem to work out well though. It gave us time to join the server one by one, get everyone in the cockpit and only then on the teams command, the server Passwd was released to the patiently waiting spectators who all had their fingers on the keyboard ready to type at the speed of light! :D

I'd also like to request that the server admins save tracks off the dedicated box directly for upload to the site. It shouldn't be a problem to restart the server between each performance since this way each team will get the chance to jump in, set a password and when ready "call it" over the radio as described above. Meanwhile the admin has time to save the server track and upload it to the site. Server tracks, even though they are only external views are much smoother and depict the flying with much less lag. We will be supplying our tracks off the server after each performance.

Lastly, we, the VTB, have some plans of our own how we're going to deal with our narrator vs. comms listening and it won't allow the spectators a choice LIVE, but for those wanting to see the track once it's uploaded to the VFAT site, there will eventually be more than one choice of what to hear as you watch. ;) All we need from the organizers is for the camera man to be able to stream from one of our channels in Ventrilo (or through someone else via Vent-TS) during the LIVE performance.
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Tailhook
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2007, 05:02:16 am »

Quote from: "Lawndart"
Last year, we had an issue starting up our server and subsequently created a Passwd for that sortie. After everyone (incl. a potential camera man etc this year) is setup and ready, we would then realease the Passwd over comms and, last year, the server filled up instantaneously! It did seem to work out well though. It gave us time to join the server one by one, get everyone in the cockpit and only then on the teams command, the server Passwd was released to the patiently waiting spectators who all had their fingers on the keyboard ready to type at the speed of light! :D

YEAH, and I deserve something because I was the first one to connect. :mrgreen:
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